Defending Your Faith With An Atheist

Here below is an interesting back and forth about God & rainbows, with a rich atheist geologist Dr. Philip Teas – who lives in Tahiti (5 Yrs Ago). Why did I waste my time you might ask? Because sharing our faith and defending God’s truth is what we are called by God to do. We should have no reason to fear debating with those who are educated in the things of men and worldly logic. After all we have the Holy Spirit to guide us. But once it became evident he had no interest in spiritual truth – I moved on.
Philip Teas Yep the rainbow. A sign of a diety who kills everything on the planet. Lovely
  • Bob West Philip Teas … that is a lie and you know it.
  • Philip Teas “Needless to say, everything was destroyed. All of humanity was wiped out, with the exception of Noah and his family. Creatures all over the earth perished as well, except those whoch Noah had secured in the ark.”
    Just reading what you posted. But yeah, I know that the entire flood myth never actually happened.
  • Bob West I obviously believe it did happen and there was enough of a remnant of all living things for earth to grow to where it is today.
  • Bob West Philip But I do realize why the Noah story would be a turn off for those of you who reject Christ since according to the bible the story of Noah was only a preview of the things to come.
  • Philip Teas Even assuming that, your god still killed every man, woman, child and baby on the planet other than Noah’s family. Not to mention, by far, the vast majority of all living creatures. Oh, but hey, we got rainbows out of it, because those particular laws of physics apparently didn’t exist pre flood
  • Bob West Philip — You got me on that one from a logical point of view … but fortunately I believe God is Omnipotent and Omniscient and a God of Miracles. There is nothing He does not know, nothing he cannot do and no law of the universe that he does not control and have power over.
  • Philip Teas Of all the myth stories in the bible, the flood story is probably the most ridiculous once the size and scope of the world and Species diversity is known. The ark couldn’t have contained all of the species present today. They couldn’t have reached the ark or ever obtained their current distribution following the end of the flood. Ignoring the issue of where all the water came from and then where it went afterwards. Yeah, I understand that an omnipotent god could achieve all of that by definition, interesting though that what would amount to the largest feat of engineering and logistics doesn’t really receive any discussion.
  • Philip Teas There are in the neighborhood of 2000-2500 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles in Australia. The majority of those not occurring anywhere else in the world, but let’s just say 1500 only occur in Australia. So, 2 individuals of each of those species joined the representatives of the approximately 25,000 other known species. Some 50,000 animals excluding all insects by the way. Then those 3000 individual animals all walked to Australia, which is an island mind you. If they had any offspring along the way, they didn’t leave any behind in other areas. Of course we are still ignoring all the unique insect species and completely ignoring the plants. Not sure how we even begin to consider plant distribution post flood.
  • Bob West Like I said my God is a God of miracles. If he created them in the ifrst place he can also preserve them anywhere and everywhere as He sees fit. If he is God he certainly does not need to explain to you and me how he does anything.
  • Philip Teas Yep miracles. And little kids still get bone cancer. Miraculous.
  • Bob West Philip — You don’t believe in miracles? Here would be the biggest and most impossible miracle of all … the greatest myth story mankind has ever created – Men evolved from a slug, and all of these other thousands of animals and insects you mentioned also evolved to their current existence out of nothing. … and what makes this the most impossible idea is that there is no god to perform these millions upon millions of miracles that had to occur in order for these creatures to come into existence.
  • Philip Teas It is amazing isnt it? Also completely understandable why there are so many defects and errors. If some being designed all of this, they were really quite a crappy designer.
  • Bob West Philip Teas – The defects are easily explainable, Nothing is perfect in the world after the fall of Genesis 3. The perfect world you apparently desire is still to come after the second coming of Christ.
  • Philip Teas There will never be a world more perfect than we have now, unless we can make it ourselves. Science and technology have created an amazing world which would be considered miraculous to any person from year 0. Too bad it remains restricted due to religious attitudes that haven’t changed much over the same time. I am glad though to be living in times when more and more people are rejecting the bible and dealing with the universe in a rational way. Contrary to what the religious zealots believe, those who are predicting the “end of times” etc, the future looks more and more bright with the possibility that old prejudice could be discarded and future generations freed of archaic belief systems
  • Bob West I respect your right to your beliefs Philip but clearly one of our religions is not true.
  • Bob West The idea that science and technology can improve on the miracles of God is foolishness. God’s miracles that happen minute by minute day after day cannot even be remotely understood let alone improved upon by technology of men. You are the one envisioning a fantasy world. The only true knowledge that men have has been given to them by God. Men are subject to God. Who among us can extend his allotted time by even a single day.
  • Philip Teas Ever heard of a pacemaker?
  • Bob West Yep … and I’m certainly glad God gave a man the understanding to invent it. But like a fuel pump on your car … Only God determines the moment it will cease to operate.
  • Philip Teas Ok, so god decides when a person’s heart will stop. Then gave man the concept of inventing a device to keep a person’s heart from stopping. But still a man’s heart beats as long as god wants it to and no longer. Um, so why do we have pacemakers?
  • Bob West I would guess for the same reason we have all of the other inventions of man. God gave us a brain and the ambition to build and create. But it all is for His glory whether we acknowledge it or not. Read the parable of the talents.
  • Bob West It is my opinion that this is why the Jewish people have more Nobel Prizes than any other race of people even though the total number of Jews is so small by comparison. As his chosen people, God has given the Jews special gifts in all areas of science.
  • Bob West PLEASE Explain this One — The Nobel Prize is an annual, international prize first awarded in 1901 for achievements in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, and Peace. An associated prize in Economics has been awarded since 1969. Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals of whom at least 22% (without peace prize over 24%) were Jews, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world’s population. Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% in medicine, 26% in Physics, 19% in Chemistry, 13% in Literature and 9% of all peace awards. Someone might say that the Jews have been given preferential treatment over others by the Nobel committee. But we know that the opposite is most likely true considering the persecution of the Jews in Europe for centuries.
    Rational Minds Must Conclude …
    There is only one answer to this question … GOD O

    (Over one year passed with no reply, so I asked)

  • Bob West Philip Teas – curious what do you think? Do you think the Jews are more highly evolved or is the impossible results of the Nobel Prize awards a miracle of God as I suggest?
  • Philip Teas Most likely it is a bias related to education, focus, candidate selection. Personally I have come to disdain most formal awards as meaningless. There is almost always an old boy’s club syndrome going on
  • Bob West Philip Teas — You must be kidding. We are talking about Jews here. The most despised people in Europe for the past century. Since carter, algore, and now obama won a prize I agree there is a absurd political bias recently, but if anything that actually works against the Jews as well. NO … 22% of the awards going to only .2% of 1% of the worlds population is such impossible odds that I wouldn’t even know how to calculate it. Jewish minds have been responsible for a miraculous out of proportion number of the worlds greatest inventions, scientific discoveries, and cures. People like Jonas Salk are not even on the list. There is only one logical answer.
  • Philip Teas Bob, the whole reason humanity is plagued by gods is because of things that nobody could understand or explain. Ghosts, fairies, aliens, as well, it’s all the same phenomena. What is lightning? The gods. What happens when we die? Gods. Why is there a world? Gods. God is NEVER the LOGICAL answer to anything. It is the fall back answer devoid of logic used to placate the simple minded
  • Bob West Philip Teas — You’ve got that backwards — deeper wisdom is not usually found in those things which are logical and easily understood, or they woundn’t be miracles. Spiritual wisdom comes from God’s word and the leading of the Holy Spirit, and often is not logical – humanly speaking. The wisdom of men is temporal and but the wisdom of God is eternal. It is only when we humble what we think we know to the test of God’s Word that we can get a glimpse of that which is beyond understanding. And the next thing you know there is an aha moment and things that made no sense at all become life building foundational principles …… “Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS “; 20 and again, “THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS.”
  • Philip Teas Lol. Run that by some of those Nobel prize winners; I’m sure they just kinda sat around wondering about something, read something in the bible and suddenly had an aha moment that landed them a Nobel.
  • Bob West Meditation is not an original thought. Meditating on God’s truth reveals Knowledge, wisdom and understanding. I can’t prove it but, I would bet that a majority of these winners believed in God. AndI have read the testimpny of hundreds of nobel prize winners who do measure things up against God’s eternal truth. Read “Darwins’s Leap Of Faith”

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